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Fasting and Prayer 2 years 6 months ago #13029

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I JUST dis-COVERed a Truth
( and THIS may be the last time I say : ...read all around verses I give here !!! :whistle: )

Study to Show YourSelf Approved !!

I KNEW that "fasting" was NOT what this world -and men- told "us" it was ... but it IS a Spiritual Thing !!!
- JUST as is : circumcision, baptism, sacrifice, clean and unclean foods + + + + + + +
and I COULD go on and on - - > - - > - - > (and you KNOW I could ... :unsure: :dry: :huh: :ohmy:

IF you have NOT HEARD IT from ME by NOW ... you NEVER WILL Hear It ... so ...
- - I - - save - - my - - Breathe :kiss: My Precious Breathe :kiss: SELAH :unsure:


This is a Test and EXAM will follow - - > - - > - - >
IF you have HEARD anything I have posted since I returned from My Wilderness Journey you WILL Pass this Test and be Prepared for the EXAM ...

Hoshea Messiah's Bride IS BEING PREPARED (as Esther was Prepared to Meet her king ... our EXAMple Given us for THIS Purpose ) Will you be Awake and Ready with Lights Trimmed and Plenty of Oil for The Grooms Coming for His Bride ... ? (are you even a Virgin ? )

Examine YourSelves !!! Look In-To YourSelves - Who Is In you ... ?

AnyWay ... I will Trust you with this Nugget ... do with it what you may ...

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Daniel 10:3
I ate no tasty food, nor did any meat or wine enter my mouth; and I did not anoint (refresh, groom) myself at all for the full three weeks.

Matthew 6:17
But when you fast, put oil on your head [as you normally would to groom your hair] and wash your face

WHO (?) IS the liar here - if there is one ? ...

and

WHO (?) GOT Results FROM their Prayers ... ?


I'm leavin' it ALL up to you ... ( these Words and this Song were given to ME to Give to you )

enJOY, Shalom, rhoda

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Fasting and Prayer 2 years 6 months ago #13030

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They were both correct.
Daniel was in mourning for his people. In the chapter just before this we read this.
4 And I prayed unto the Lord my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;
5 We have sinned, and have committed iniquity, and have done wickedly, and have rebelled, even by departing from thy precepts and from thy judgments:
6 Neither have we hearkened unto thy servants the prophets, which spake in thy name to our kings, our princes, and our fathers, and to all the people of the land.
and he was given this vision.
20 And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the Lord my God for the holy mountain of my God;

21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.

22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.

23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
About 2 years later in 10 Daniel was still in mourning for what was to happen to his people and Messiah. Daniel prayed daily but on this particular time we read that he was also fasting as you noted in 10:3 This was a big deal for Daniel to do this as he was very old at this time and fasting for 3 weeks was dangerous for him. Daniel did this to seek out the the Lord to grant mercy to his people from the Lord. It was most likely Yahshua who visited him in chapter 10.
5 Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz:

6 His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude.
Daniel was rewarded with an explanation of the vision he had in 9.
I would also like to note that Daniel may have been following his traditions doctrines if he were an Essene. The Essenes didn't eat meat, drink wine and didn't anoint themselves. Yahshua is speaking to a mixed group of Jews and Gentiles. It was the custom of the Jews to anoint themselves on feast days. In the Greek it is in the middle voice so what is said is really like, anoint and wash alone. The Jews had different kinds of fasts when in mourning they didn't anoint themselves. He was speaking to them according to their customs.

Thanks for the topic :)
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Fasting and Prayer 2 years 6 months ago #13031

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Hey Charlie :)

Looks like things are pretty slow around here these days.
Thought when I -"got back" from "the stuff" I had to get done- that I would catch up on my reading ... but this is all there is :( ;)

Charlie wrote:
I would also like to note that Daniel may have been following his traditions doctrines if he were an Essene. The Essenes didn't eat meat, drink wine and didn't anoint themselves. Yahshua is speaking to a mixed group of Jews and Gentiles. It was the custom of the Jews to anoint themselves on feast days. In the Greek it is in the middle voice (huh ? ) so what is said is really like, anoint and wash alone. The Jews had different kinds of fasts when in mourning they didn't anoint themselves. He was speaking to them according to their customs.

I made some "notes" in your quoted paragraph ... before I get into what I was gonna say I need to ask:
What is -and what is the meaning of- a "middle voice" ? :unsure: Does only the "Greek" have "this voice' ? !! :dry:

and back to my main point ...
Do you notice in the NT that Hoshea (new spelling I found in the OT - for my old spelling of "Yahshua" )
many times speaks of "the Jews" - their customs and ways and so on and so forth ... ?
Like He didn't include Himself in with "the Jews" and their customs and ways and so on and so forth ... ?

What do you make of that ... ?

More to add to this later but need to get to bed ... Zzzzzzz ... Rhoda
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Fasting and Prayer 2 years 6 months ago #13047

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Rhoda, wrote:
Do you notice in the NT that Hoshea (new spelling I found in the OT - for my old spelling of "Yahshua" )
many times speaks of "the Jews" - their customs and ways and so on and so forth ... ?
Like He didn't include Himself in with "the Jews" and their customs and ways and so on and so forth ... ?

What do you make of that ... ?
I think that you are seeing what I have been suspecting for years now and that is this, that the prophets, Yahshua, or Iesus, didn't consider themselves Jews. I believe that they were all Essenes of which their were many types. Nazzeriens, being one that I think is germaine to this since he was said to have come from Nazareth.

Now to the middle voice.

In English we don't use the middle voice, and yes it is primarily used in Koine Greek (ancient) and Imperial Aramaic, with a few usages in Latin.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_(grammar)#Middle

www.foundalis.com/lan/grkgram.htm

The middle voice changes the way we translate certain passages that use it. In English it is hard to translate what is being said.

Thanks for asking :)
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Fasting and Prayer 2 years 6 months ago #13048

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Charlie -

Right now I am In The Spirit :kiss: so I didn't want to muddle It with this "middle voice info" ...

- but I did open the attachment and went to the Conclusion and noted this:

"Imperial Aramaic forms a pivotal part of the 3000 year long history of the Aramaic language,
whose voice system has not yet been studied, neither from a synchronic nor diachronic perspective.
It is hoped that more research will be conducted into this fascinating and very important
topic in the future."

Question: Was this "3000 year long history" the past 3000 years or a 3000 year portion taken out somewhere in the beginning or middle of this 6000 year Time span ?


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Fasting and Prayer 2 years 6 months ago #13052

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Rhoda wrote:
Question: Was this "3000 year long history" the past 3000 years or a 3000 year portion taken out somewhere in the beginning or middle of this 6000 year Time span ?
You might like this Tid Bit,
Aram and Israel had a common ancestry and the Hebrew patriarchs who were of Aramaic
origin maintained ties of marriage with the tribes of Aram. The Hebrew patriarchs preserved their Aramaic names and spoke in
Aramaic.

The term Aramaic is derived from Aram, the fifth son of Shem, the firstborn of Noah. See Gen. 10:22. The descendants of
Aram dwelt in the fertile valley, Padan-aram also known as Beth Nahreen.

The Aramaic language in Padan-aram remained pure, and in the course the common language (lingua franca), of all the Semitic
clans. By the 8th century B.C. it was the major language from Egypt to Asia Minor to Pakistan. It was employed by the great
Semitic empires, Assyria and Babylon. The Persian (Iranian) government also used Aramaic in their Western provinces.

The language of the people of Palestine shifted from Hebrew to Aramaic sometime between 721-500 B.C. Therefore, we
know that Jesus, his disciples and contemporaries spoke and wrote in Aramaic. The message of Christianity spread throughout
Palestine, Syria and Mesopotamia in this Semitic tongue.
I think it is much older and may have been or is the language of the Holy Angels like Michael. If we believe that Eashua spoke Aramaic then look at this. .
the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the son (John 5: 22). And he sat on the throne of his glory, and the sum of judgment was given to the Son of Man. (Enoch 69: 27 )
and, Specialists in the Enochian texts believe that the missing original of 2 Enoch, from which the Slavonic was copied, was probably a Greek manuscript, which itself may have been based on a Hebrew or Aramaic manuscript.
So, it may have been around a long, long, time? :) B) Yes, I remember, I'm glad your back!!


References
www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/1176560/posts
And
Lumpkin, Joseph (2011-02-21). The Books of Enoch: The Angels, The Watchers and The Nephilim (With Extensive Commentary on the Three Books of Enoch, the Fallen Angels, the Calendar of Enoch, and Daniel’s Prophecy) (p. 21). Fifth Estate. Kindle Edition.
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