Romans Exposed (Part 15)

Romans 7.9 - 8.5

7.9 After all, back before I ever studied God's commandments, I was alive. But then I heard God's commandment, "You shall not covet." My hearing that commandment caused sin to hold a revival meeting inside of me. Therefore, I sinned again. Then I died.

What a whacko. So tell me, Christian, how much sense does it make to trust a man who claims that:

  • he never sinned until he heard, "Thou shalt not covet,"
  • but as soon as he heard that commandment, he sinned AGAIN,
  • and then he died,
  • and yet he is still standing there yakking away.

If you met a person on the street making the same claim, would you stand there listening to him, or would you run the other way?

7.10-12 See, it was all that commandment's fault that I sinned. And even though God ordained that man's obedience to that commandment would provide the obedient person with life, I found that my studying that commandment caused the death of me. After all, I only committed sin because I heard that commandment. Therefore that commandment is at fault. That commandment deceived me, and slew me. Therefore, the law is holy. [!] That commandment is holy, and just, and good, too.

Ooh. Such logic. The commandment that supposedly raised such a stir in Paul is given in both Deuteronomy 5.21 and Exodus 20.17. Deuteronomy 5.21 says:

Neither shall you desire your neighbor's wife. Neither shall you covet your neighbor's house, his field, his manservant or maidservant, his ox, his ass, or anything that is your neighbor's.

Does reading that commandment stir up all kinds of lustfulness in you, compel you to lust after your neighbor's spouse and/or servants, and incite you to want to steal your neighbor's property? A person would have to be way out of control in order for that commandment to incite such a passionate desire to break the commandment as Paul describes.

That hearing "Thou shalt not covet..." caused such an adversarial stir in Paul exposes Paul's extreme lustfulness, quest for money, property, and prestige, and thievery. He readily admits that he broke the commandment. In particular, he lusted after his neighbor's manservant, and stole his neighbors' properties. His greatest travesty, however, was his lust for the Master's authority. Paul purposely decapitalized and twisted the Word of God upside down, sideways, and backwards so that he, the dog, could become the controlling, terrorist dictator god of all of Christendumb.

In direct opposition to Paul's reaction to the commandment, a repentant person who is on the path to gaining salvation, studies the commandment, and looks inside himself to see if he carries any of those character defects. If he does, he says, "Oops. God, I need to stop doing that." God's job is bringing the defect to our conscious awareness when we are subconsciously thinking about committing the sin again. Then we focus on cleaning up that character defect. As we practice and practice giving it up, the changes are made, and the desire to commit the sin is no longer in our heart. In the process, that same sin is highlighted in the behaviors of others, and we come to see how stupid and offensive it is to have had that character defect in the first place.

Since the thought to break the commandment enters our mind first, if we say to God in our thoughts, "God, I don't need to be thinking like this," God will usually take the negative thought away. He rubs it out of our mind, and we are free to think about something else. Our best choices for the next thought are positive thoughts that comply with the will of God. Thus, salvation is a cooperative effort between the person seeking salvation and God. We do our best. God does the rest. He has the power to take away stinking thinking when we do not. Much of the time, cleaning up our own act is that simple and easy.

7.13 Shut up! Shut up! Yes, I know you must be asking how a commandment could be good if it slew me. Well, God forbid.

God forbid what, viper?

7.13 God forbids His commandments from being death unto me, that's what! Either that or God forbids His commandments from being evil. Either way, it was my sin that slew me. Sin used good old "Thou shalt not covet" to leap up and work death in me. Therefore, God's commandment is good. God allowed the sin to work death in me by means of "Thou shalt not covet" just so that the people who commit sins merely from hearing God's commandments would become exceedingly more sinful. See how stupid and mean God is? He wants us to sin. It's all His fault that I am such a great sinner. Heh-heh.
7.14 You all know how smart I am, right? I mean, after all I know that God's law is spiritual. I, however, am carnal. I sold out to the devil when I was under the influence of sin. Because my hearing the commandment caused me to come under the influence of sin, it's all God's fault that I sinned and was slain by sin.

Underneath all this farcical hog wash, the oinkered one is admitting that he suffers from an oppositional and combative disorder. He was obsessively, compulsively, and therefore, habitually disposed to willful disobedience to God. Paul grunts on and on trying to justify his own lawlessness, and does so in order to entice his Christians into doing the same. Paul knows he doesn't get to control anybody who obeys God because God gives the people who obey Him power over Satan's death trap. God lets us see through the boob, lets us laugh at him, and tells us to go confront Satan with the Truth so that the people who have been snared in the booby trap can be set free.

Paul was using his own testimony in order to lure people into believing that if they study God's commandments, those commandments will compel the student to sin. Because studying God's commandments is a core requirement for gaining salvation, all the people who believed and complied with Paul's false claims lost out on their salvation. And in the process of seducing people away from salvation, Paul established himself as those people's god, their ultimate authority.

7.15 Don't believe that. After all, I am such a great guy, you know, because I do not allow other people to commit the same sins that I commit. No sirree. Not me. I am a control freak and a flaming hypocrite who does not allow other people to commit the same sins that I commit. Nevertheless, I myself commit those sins that I would not do if I knew how to stop doing them. And those sins that I hate are the same sins that I do. I commit those sins because I do not know how to stop doing them.

Paul is indeed A BAD DON, the father of outlaws, and a control freak who had no control over his own behavior. Paul's inability to gain control over his own behavior is a clear indicator that Paul did not receive salvation / recovery from his sins.

7.16 Not so! Since I commit the sins that I would not do if I knew how to stop doing them, I give my consent to God. Just that I agree with God that His law is good informs people that I have gained salvation. Therefore, God's law is good even though my learning it forces me to sin and God's law is really the one that killed me.
7.17 Now then, because I agree that God's commandments are good, it isn't me any more who is committing the sins. Instead, it's the sin that dwells within me who commits the sins. So when you find out that I am a great sinner, do not hold me responsible for my sins. The devil in me made me do it.
7.18 The devil made me do it because I am fully aware that nothing good dwells within me and my flesh. Although the will to do good is present within me, I cannot find out how to perform that which is good inside myself.

The third of the 12 steps that provide us with power over sin reads: "Made the decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him." Any person who takes that step from the belief that Paul represents God, turns his own will and life into the care of Paul. That person has unwittingly turned his will and his life over to the care of Satan, and then becomes filled with the same evil spirits that consumed Paul. Paul's admission that he did not know how to find freedom from his sins is enough to expose the stupidity of the person who turns his will and his life over to Paul's care.

A person does not have to consciously take Step 3 in order to actually perform the same step erroneously, however. If a person believes that Paul is of God, Paul is the ultimate authority on God, what Paul says to do is of God, etc., and complies with Paul's directives, that person has turned his will and his life over to the care of Satan himself. That Christians have indeed taken that step is why they are so wicked and hypocritical.

7.19-20 See, I do not do the good that I would do if I knew how to do good. Instead, I do the evil deeds which I would not do if I knew how to stop doing those dastardly deeds. And since I do the evil deeds that I would not do if I knew how to stop doing them, it isn't me anymore who does the evil deeds that I do. Instead, the sin that dwells within in me is responsible for my actions.
7.21 Therefore, I went out and found a new law. My new law says that whenever I would do good if I knew how to do it, evil is present within me preventing me from doing good.
7.22 Still, I'm not so bad, because I delight in the law of God. The law of God appeals to my inward man, even though my inward man will not let me perform God's law.
7.23 Then I look around and find yet another law. That law is in my body members. The law of my body members wars against the law of God that is written on my mind. The law of my body members brings me into captivity to the law of sin. Satan's law of sin is written in my body members.
7.24-25 Oh, I am such a wretched man! Who shall deliver me from my body that contains the laws of Satan that compel me to sin and condemns me to death? Well, I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord for that delivery. Yes, I do. God through Jesus Christ our Lord will deliver me from death because I myself serve the law of God with my mind. The body members of my flesh, however, serve the law of Satan/sin.
8.1 Therefore, from now on God does not condemn all you sinners who sin like me. Sinners who are like me are in Christ Jesus. We are in Christ Jesus because our minds do not walk after the sinful deeds of our flesh. Instead, our minds walk after the Spirit of God. Only our body members walk after the sinful deeds of our flesh.

Do you still think you were wise to have had such great faith in this exceedingly wicked man, Christian?

One of Satan's great tricks -- a trick that Christians emulate in so many ways to this day -- was pulled during those last few scraptures. That trick is an appeal to the human emotions. Paul was seeking sympathy from his audience, and Christians certainly got suckered into it. Protestant preachers repeatedly pull the same trick with their sob stories. Catholics pull it especially during their promotion of Mary as a god by attempting to make their perishoners feel so sorry for her for all the supposed suffering she endured during the Lord's torture and crucifixion when she was not there to witness His suffering at all.

Because seeing through these extremely anti-God scriptures is so important to salvation, what Paul/Satan is up to is highlighted again. He was:

  • Holding a sympathy-seeking pity-pot party to seduce Christians into feeling sorry for him so that they would align themselves with him emotionally.
  • Admitting that he was so out of control that he could not stop himself from sinning. Paul's admission that he had no tools for recovery from sin is a very clear indicator that the creep never gained salvation.
  • Admitting the severity of his sins, and that they were centered in inappropriate sexual behaviors and an irrational quest for money, property, prestige, and the power to manipulate and control other people -- thereby subliminally and unintentionally admitting that he sought to replace the Savior as the Lord of mankind.
  • Accusing God and God's Law of being to blame for Paul's sinfulness! AARGH!
  • Claiming that any person who believes that God's Law is good has gained salvation even if that person continues to sin to the nth degree.
  • Seducing people into believing that humans do not have to obey God in order to gain salvation -- that they could continue to sin out the wazoo, and would yet get to go to Heaven as long as they believed that Jesus died on the cross to save people from having to suffer the consequences for the sins they continue to commit.
  • WARRING AGAINST GOD AND THE SALVATION OF HUMAN LIFE!

So what is the difference between Christianity and God's most perfect church thus far; i.e., the Anonymous 12-Step programs? Had A.A. existed back then, and Paul had shared that crap in a meeting, he would have been confronted big time by the people with the glow. They would have seen through his emotional appeal and gagged at it. They would have handed him tool after tool telling him what he needed to do in order to overcome his obsessive-compulsive behaviors and find recovery/remission from his sins. In no way would the Spirit-led members tell Paul that his continuing to commit his sins was okay with God. Instead, they would have told him in essence, "Work the Program or die!" And they would have reached out to help him work it.

8.1 Therefore, from now on God does not condemn all you sinners who sin like me. Sinners who are like me are in Christ Jesus. We are in Christ Jesus because our minds do not walk after the sinful deeds of our flesh. Instead, our minds walk after the Spirit of God. Only our body members walk after the sinful deeds of our flesh.
8.2 The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from God's nasty old laws of sin. God's stupid old commandments were of sin because they forced everybody who studied them to sin. Then God's dumb old laws condemned all those sinners to death.
8.3 God's commandments are weak because they cannot force people to obey God. [!] God's commandments are weak because the flesh of us humans is too sinful to mind God. Therefore, God sent His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh on behalf of sin. Then God condemned sin in the human flesh when He had His Son murdered. Either that, or when man killed the body of God's Son, God killed all the sins that our bodies commit. Thus, all the sins that people commit after the death of God's Son are not really sins anymore. Either way, God only sentences our sins to death. The remainder of what constitutes our humanity gets to live on and on in Heaven.
8.4 God condemned the sins that our bodies perform so that the righteousness of God's commandments might be fulfilled in us. God's commandments are fulfilled in those of us whose bodies continue to break God's commandments. Our minds do not pay any attention to the sins that our bodies commit, however. Instead, our minds focus on the Spirit of God. Therefore, the righteousness of God's commandments is fulfilled in us.

Paul was crazy! Becoming a child of God requires that we humans become down-to-earth, realistic, rigorously honest, and very sensitive. We must pay attention to all of who and what we are; i.e., our own thoughts, little kid gut feelings, emotions, intuitions, suspicions, attitudes, motivations, and BEHAVIORS. We must also believe and obey God's commandments.

Paul knew that. Therefore, he sought to seduce you Christians into damnation by suckering you into willfully disobeying God's commandments. One of the ways that Paul deceived you was by seducing you into mentally living in Fantasy Land oblivious to reality, the way things really are. That Paul even seduced you into ignoring the wickedness of your own behaviors is obvious.

Now suppose that the Master were back in the flesh today, and you were commanded to keep your mental focus on getting to know His Spirit -- the Spirit of God within Him. How could you do that without paying very close attention to what He says and does? Any person who ignores what He says and does, and keeps his focus on seeking the Spirit without any of the Spirit's Doctrine to follow is going to live in La-La Land. And every person who lives in La-La Land is oblivious to who and what God really is, what He has to say, what He does, how He is activated inside oneself, and what He is all about. All the person who ignores God's commandments succeeds in doing is suckering himself into believing the same insane idiotologies promoted by any and all of the world's pagan religions.

Now add the reality that Satan is the great imitator. He seeks to imitate God and the effects the Spirit has on us humans in every aspect. For instance, when we do what is right, God strokes us from within. He enlivens, refreshes, and energizes us. When we do what is wrong, however, Satan also strokes us with "good feelings." Those good feelings are intoxication. Our being emotionally and/or sexually intoxicated feels very nice initially. While intoxicated, we, too, feel enlivened, refreshed, and energized. A child of God must, therefore, gain the ability to separate Satan's intoxication from God's strokes inside himself. Each person must gain the ability to see for himself how self-defeating his indulging in intoxicating behaviors is. He must then choose for himself to put down those intoxicating behaviors. The only place where we can learn how to do that, and gain the power to say no to intoxication, is through the Spirit of the Son of God Himself.

We learn to recognize intoxication inside ourselves by how we feel after the intoxication leaves us. We feel guilt, remorse, self-pity, self-hatred, resentment, anxiety, fear, depression, boredom, etc. By comparison, when we do what is right and experience God's strokes, we do not experience those rotten feelings afterwards. Nevertheless, God does not keep on stroking us forever for one righteous act. He wants us to keep on doing more and more acts of goodness. Therefore, God's strokes subside until we again perform a righteous action.

Add the awareness that when other people say and do mean things to us it hurts. God's children endure alot of being mocked, and shunned, and ridiculed, etc. If a person is not deeply founded in knowing and obeying God's commandments, receiving God's strokes for doing what is right, etc., the victim of that abuse is far too likely to believe that what he himself is doing something wrong. False guilt feels very much the same as real guilt. Getting rid of false guilt comes only from believing, obeying, and trusting God.

If a person chasing after the Spirit of God thinks that all he himself is going to experience is good feelings, that person is very wrong. God's discipline is often very harsh and painful. So often He strikes us with the feeling of fear to let us know that we are out of line, or to inform us that we are in danger of being harmed and need to run and hide. Further, when the Spirit of the Holy Ghost leaps up in our belly He feels like very intense fear within us.

From having endured so much fear and paying attention to its effects on me, I have come to believe that fear is one of the most painful of human emotions. Although I must say that I do not like the feeling of fear, I know all of us are going to have to get used to it. All those "Fear not" commandments in the Bible are informing us that so often when Spirit-led people are experiencing fear inside themselves -- especially when we see nothing external to cause that fear, and are not mentally projecting "what if's" -- we are experiencing the Spirit of the Holy Ghost, God. That's why God tells us in Proverbs 3.25, "Be not afraid of sudden fear. Neither be afraid of the desolation of the wicked when it comes." Just learning how to stop being fearful myself when I experience the Spirit when He leaps up in my belly is a process. I must practice and practice until I can separate and put down my own feelings of fear to instead allow myself to experience the fear that the Holy Ghost makes me feel, and carry through speaking what He has inserted into my brain telling me to speak. Then He issues the awesome rewards of the Comforter.

In short, any person who does not have God's commandments to adhere to cannot gain the ability to discern between the Spirit of God and evil spirits at work inside himself.

The way that God teaches us to be is very foreign to the way that human societies teach us to be. The person who gains redemption must be willing to endure horrific persecution from any and all other humans. The social pressure aimed at seducing us away from believing and obeying God is enormous. That's why the prophets were so desperate to have the Master appear in His own flesh. The prophets were hearing the Master's voice and obeying His commandments. The dis-Spirited people around the prophets did not hear Him. Because what the prophets said and did was so foreign to the experiences and beliefs of "normies," the social pressures exerted by those people on the prophets to shut up and change their behavior was severe.

Additionally, people fear the person who carries the Spirit of the Son of man inside himself. It isn't the speaker that the listeners fear, but the Spirit of God within the speaker. The Holy Ghost inside the speaker is telling the speaker what to say. One of the ways He honors the speaker is by sometimes striking the listeners with fear. The listeners do not like the way fear feels inside themselves, and so react in anger, if not abSAULute terrorism. All the while, the Spirit is merely trying to inform the audience that the audience is in Spiritual trouble, and needs to listen to what the Spirit of the Holy Ghost is saying through the speaker. The fear the listeners experience is one of the ways God grabs our attention, and notifies us that what we are hearing is Truth, His Doctrine, His will. That's why, Spirit-led people, when other people attack us, they are really attacking the Spirit of the Son of man inside us.

That we humans do not like that feeling of fear is one of the ways that God motivates us to get in line with His will. His will is expressed in His commandments. His commandments are spoken to perfection through His Son in the Gospel. All of us Spirit-led people are humans. Therefore, we lack the power to strike other people with fear. God Himself must be at work inside of you listeners in order for you to be experiencing fear. Be glad He is striking you with fear. It's God Himself communicating with you. That fear is a sign that God knows you One-on-one and cares about you personally, too. How awesome!

The prophets begged God to send His Son in His own flesh so He could explain Himself to everybody, and give everybody the same instructions that He was giving to the prophets. God complied when He sent His only begotten Son Jesus in the flesh. Our job is to listen to Him and obey His Doctrine. To do anything less is to cheat oneself out of eternal life in His Kingdom of Ultimate Bliss.

8.5 NO! Don't listen to her. Believe Me instead. See, those people whose minds are focused on committing sin in obedience to the lusts of their bodies obey the lusts of their bodies. Even though we commit the same sins as do the people who mentally focus on obeying the lusts of their bodies, we are righteous because our minds are focused on the Spirit of God. Since our minds chase after the Spirit, we obey the things of the Spirit of God in our minds even though our bodies don't.

Okay, you Christians. Since you're the ones who believe this bull, suppose you tell us what "things" of the Spirit of God you are thinking about whenever you willfully commit a sin. Is your mind really focused on God when you commit a sin? How about you priests and preachers who molest little boys. When you are in the act of molesting a child, is your mind focused on the "things" of God, or on your own "old man."?


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